Hva om Donald Trump blir president?

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Gaia, her.

Innimellom er det slitsomt å være del av den delen av befolkningen som syns slik oppførsel ikke er akseptabel, og som derfor ikke ville "stopp to their level" (Hva heter det på norsk? Jeg henger alt for mye i amerikanske nettaviser for tiden.)

Og, serr, hvilken revolusjon er det han tror kommer til å bryte ut i Norge de neste 10-15 årene? (Det er så innmari tenåringsutblåsningsaktig, altså. Du kan ikke si noe sånt: "Just because you're angy at mommy, doesn't give you the right to use mean and nasty words. Now go to your room for a time-out, and don't come back down untill you're ready to appologize properly.")

Han er noen og femti. Og er et resultat av at stygg ordbruk har blitt normalisert (og valgt til president i USA, no less). Og har en vanskelig sosial situasjon, og opplever at han blir forbigått av yngre (kvinner) og i følge ham - mindre erfarne - personer. Og er ikke superflink til å føre seg diplomatisk, og er derfor ikke en veldig lett person å hjelpe, hverken for helsevesen eller NAV.

Stjerneeksempel på problematikken, egentlig.

[Gaia]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Maverick, her.

Han er noen og femti. Og er et resultat av at stygg ordbruk har blitt normalisert (og valgt til president i USA, no less). Og har en vanskelig sosial situasjon, og opplever at han blir forbigått av yngre (kvinner) og i følge ham - mindre erfarne - personer. Og er ikke superflink til å føre seg diplomatisk, og er derfor ikke en veldig lett person å hjelpe, hverken for helsevesen eller NAV.

Stjerneeksempel på problematikken, egentlig.

Interessant, det du skriver. Er de som er mest aggressive de som føler at de ikke får det de på et grunnleggende følelsesmessig plan føler seg berettiget til å få? At de stemmer på Trump fordi de identifiserer seg med ham og tenker at hvis de stemmer på ham, så kommer han til å sørge for å få det de har rett på, men som "samfunnet" har forhindret dem fra å få. Snakker vi alle de i utgangspunktet spiller "The Game of Life" på det som egentlig er nybegynnernivå, men som likevel taper?

Det blir litt sånn som trygdemisbrukerne som vil at "alle andre" som misbruker trygda skal straffes for det, men at de selvfølgelig er berettiget til den støtten de mottar, selv om det ligger litt triksing til grunn. Og at de slemme innvandrerne i alle fall ikke skal få noe, for det er det nemlig bare "vi som bygde landet (selv om vi ikke har jobbet en dag)" som har krav på.

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Gaia, her.

Interessant, det du skriver. Er de som er mest aggressive de som føler at de ikke får det de på et grunnleggende følelsesmessig plan føler seg berettiget til å få? At de stemmer på Trump fordi de identifiserer seg med ham og tenker at hvis de stemmer på ham, så kommer han til å sørge for å få det de har rett på, men som "samfunnet" har forhindret dem fra å få. Snakker vi alle de i utgangspunktet spiller "The Game of Life" på det som egentlig er nybegynnernivå, men som likevel taper?

Det blir litt sånn som trygdemisbrukerne som vil at "alle andre" som misbruker trygda skal straffes for det, men at de selvfølgelig er berettiget til den støtten de mottar, selv om det ligger litt triksing til grunn. Og at de slemme innvandrerne i alle fall ikke skal få noe, for det er det nemlig bare "vi som bygde landet (selv om vi ikke har jobbet en dag)" som har krav på.

Ja. Det er litt sånn, i hvert fall det jeg opplever, da. Og så blir det selvforsterkende, og da er det (ofte, ikke alltid) de hvite mennene som blir hissige. De opplever etterhvert at enhver jobb de ikke får, enhver dame som sier nei, enhver reprimande, er en bekreftelse på at ANDRE får goder DE SELV burde fått, fordi det er jo ingen som blir diskriminert mer enn hvite, heterofile menn.

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Maverick, her.

Ja. Det er litt sånn, i hvert fall det jeg opplever, da. Og så blir det selvforsterkende, og da er det (ofte, ikke alltid) de hvite mennene som blir hissige. De opplever etterhvert at enhver jobb de ikke får, enhver dame som sier nei, enhver reprimande, er en bekreftelse på at ANDRE får goder DE SELV burde fått, fordi det er jo ingen som blir diskriminert mer enn hvite, heterofile menn.

... og hvordan man får snudd den tankegangen, det har jeg ennå ikke funnet ut av. Jeg tror det er veldig vanskelig for kvinner å gjøre det, for eksempel.

(Og jeg skriver om menn i mitt innlegg fordi det er det jeg har direkte erfaring med. Men i kommentarfeltene er det VELDIG mange kvinner også, virker det som.)

[Marla Singer]

Alt Mave sier her.

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Maverick, her.

De opplever etterhvert at enhver jobb de ikke får, enhver dame som sier nei, enhver reprimande, er en bekreftelse på at ANDRE får goder DE SELV burde fått, fordi det er jo ingen som blir diskriminert mer enn hvite, heterofile menn.

Nei. () Det ser ut til at det ikke er nødvendig at andre får mer enn dem, det holder at andre får de samme mulighetene for at endel "hvite menn" skal oppleve at de blir fratatt posisjon og makt.

[Primrose]

Jeg får ikke prikket deg, Maverick, men du skriver utrolig mye bra her.

Jeg har bare erfaring med eldre, hvite, sinte menn og får liksom ikke tak på hvorfor rasismen har satt seg så veldig hos enkelte av de. De er pensjonister med god økonomi, men synes flyktninger (og egentlig alle ikke-hvite) bør sendes tilbake dit de kom fra. Er den den der "bygde landet"-greia som ligger bak mon tro? En dag jeg har overskudd så får jeg spørre, men det er ganske slitsomt å bli sablet ned som "håpløs uvitende kvinne".

[Maverick]

En bekjent av meg skylder på Romlingane og Pompel&Pilt.

[Maverick]

Og så er det propagandaen, da! Dette er jo egentlig ganske vakkert, NASA-twitringen som nevnt her, og etter at Badlands National Park Service fikk forbud mot twitring etter å ha twitret om klimaendringer etter at EPA ble frosset, har det nå blitt startet en ny konto: "AltUSNatParkService" - "Can't wait for President Trump to call us FAKE NEWS. You can take our official twitter, but you'll never take our free time!"

Og da liker og deler jeg gjerne jeg altså, fordi jeg tror det er essensielt å synliggjøre både forsøkene på propaganda, "FAKE NEWS", "alternative facts", og så videre, så det ikke kan ignoreres!

[Gaia]

Jeg håper virkelig engasjementet holder. At det ikke dabber av etter hvert som frustrasjonen over administrasjonen setter inn.

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Gaia, her.

Jeg håper virkelig engasjementet holder. At det ikke dabber av etter hvert som frustrasjonen over administrasjonen setter inn.

Ja, det kommer jo an på oss (in the broader meaning of the word) det.

[Gaia]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Maverick, her.

Ja, det kommer jo an på oss (in the broader meaning of the word) det.

Ja, så absolutt. oss!

[Maverick]

Her er transcripten av hans første intervju som president.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...l_twitter_abcn

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And it is a tremendous magnitude. And where you really see it is when you're talking to the generals about problems in the world. And we do have problems in the world. Big problems. The business also hits because the -- the size of it. The size.

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DAVID MUIR: But you talked -- often about Mexico paying for the wall. And you, again, say they'll pay us back. Mexico's president said in recent days that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that, "It goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as Mexicans." He says ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, he has to say that. He has to say that. But I'm just telling you there will be a payment. It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. And you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the United States. It's also going to be good for Mexico.

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DAVID MUIR: When people learn of the news of this wall today there are gonna be a lot of people listening to this. And I wanna ask about undocumented immigrants who are here -- in this country. Right now they're protected as so-called dreamers -- the children who were brought here, as you know, by their parents. Should they be worried -- that they could be deported? And is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They shouldn't be very worried. They are here illegally. They shouldn't be very worried. I do have a big heart. We're going to take care of everybody. We're going to have a very strong border. We're gonna have a very solid border. Where you have great people that are here that have done a good job, they should be far less worried. We'll be coming out with policy on that over the next period of four weeks.

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DAVID MUIR: Senator Jeff Sessions, your pick for attorney general, as you know during his confirmation hearing said that ending DACA, this is President Obama's policy protecting the dreamers -- that, "Ending it certainly would be constitutional." That you could end the protection of these dreamers. Is that a possibility?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna be talking with -- attorney general. He will soon be the attorney general. He's done fantastically well. We're all very proud of him. I thought he was treated very, very unfairly. He's a brilliant man and he's a very good man. He'll do a fantastic job. I'll be speaking to him as soon as he's affirmed.

DAVID MUIR: So, it's a possibility.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We will be talking to the attorney general.

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I said it. And I said it strongly because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. That's number one. Number two, I would've won the popular vote if I was campaigning for the popular vote. I would've gone to California where I didn't go at all. I would've gone to New York where I didn't campaign at all.

I would've gone to a couple of places that I didn't go to. And I would've won that much easier than winning the electoral college. But as you know, the electoral college is all that matters. It doesn't make any difference. So, I would've won very, very easily.

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DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask you, you did win. You're the president. You're sitting ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That’s true.

DAVID MUIR: ... across from me right now.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That's true.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that your words matter more now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes, very much.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country without presenting the evidence?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not at all because many people feel the same way that I do. And ...

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I'm -- I don't have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that's okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. There was -- somebody was asking Sean -- "Well, were they Trump people that were put--" we don't have Trump people. They were CIA people.

That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ...

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DAVID MUIR: So, polls and crowd size and covers on Time, those still matter now that you're here as president.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you keep bringing it up. I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering -- from certain angles -- that were taken early and lots of other things. I'll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.

In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches. I'm honored by that. But I didn't bring it up. You just brought it up.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. Part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly 'cause we had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd -- I looked over that sea of people and I said to myself, "Wow."

And I've seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. When I looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. I said the men and women that I was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. Therefore I won't allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to Washington, D.C., from faraway places because they like me. But more importantly they like what I'm saying.

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DAVID MUIR: The last president, President Obama, said the U.S. does not torture. Will you say that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I have a general who I have great respect for, General Mattis, who said -- I was a little surprised -- who said he's not a believer in torture. As you know, Mr. Pompeo was just approved, affirmed by the Senate. He's a fantastic guy, he's gonna be the head of the CIA.

And you have somebody fabulous as opposed to the character that just got out who didn't -- was not fabulous at all. And he will I think do a great job. And he is -- you know, I haven't gone into great detail. But I will tell you I have spoken to others in intelligence. And they are big believers in, as an example, waterboarding.

DAVID MUIR: You did tell me ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Because they say it does work. It does work.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot worse.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do ..

Jøssdafolkens. Tortur virker.


(ABC News er vel demokratvennlig, men dette er direkte sitater.)

[Tallulah]

Det er jo bare vås.

[Maverick]

Ja, det er bare vås. Men det er ganske farlig vås. Spesielt dette:

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DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Why are we going to allow people to come into this country ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're going to see -- you're going to see. We're going to have extreme vetting in all cases. And I mean extreme. And we're not letting people in if we think there's even a little chance of some problem.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are excluding certain countries. But for other countries we're gonna have extreme vetting. It's going to be very hard to come in. Right now it's very easy to come in. It's gonna be very, very hard. I don't want terror in this country. You look at what happened in San Bernardino. You look at what happened all over. You look at what happened in the World Trade Center. Okay, I mean, take that as an example.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... concerned -- are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among Muslims ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Anger?

DAVID MUIR: ... the world?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it'll ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Look, David ...

DAVID MUIR: ... exacerbate the problem?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... David, I mean, I know you're a sophisticated guy. The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out.

The world is a total mess. Take a look at what's happening with Aleppo. Take a look what's happening in Mosul. Take a look what's going on in the Middle East. And people are fleeing and they're going into Europe and all over the place. The world is a mess, David.

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DAVID MUIR: So, you believe we can go in and take the oil.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn't talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would've very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world.

DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... that you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.

DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools.

DAVID MUIR: ... let me talk about your words ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should've kept -- excuse me. We should've taken the oil. And if we took the oil you wouldn't have ISIS. And we would have had wealth. We have spent right now $6 trillion in the Middle East. And our country is falling apart.

[nolo]

Hadde det vært et manus til en film om udugelig lederskap hadde det blitt vraket for å være for ekstremt og lite troverdig.

Herre!

[Neket]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av nolo, her.

Hadde det vært et manus til en film om udugelig lederskap hadde det blitt vraket for å være for ekstremt og lite troverdig.

Herre!

De som lager Veep har jo sagt at om de skrev om noe som lignet på Trump så hadde de fått kritikk for å være altfor lite troverdige.

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“If we tried to do this, what’s happening in the world, on our show — it’d be like, ‘Well, it’s fake-o. No way. That’s not real,’” Richardson said.

In his conversation with the Los Angeles Times, Mandel recalled a joke from Season 5 in which a character apparently called a female police officer a “p***y.” Eventually, the joke was cut because it seemed a bit too much, a decision that now looks unnecessarily conservative in hindsight.

[Novla]

Det transkriptet beviser ganske godt det Keith Olbermann sier her:

(Kilde: youtube.com)

"There is something really, really wrong with him".

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Novla, her.

Det transkriptet beviser ganske godt det Keith Olbermann sier her:

(Kilde: youtube.com)

"There is something really, really wrong with him".

Ja, jeg tenkte stadig tilbake på den når jeg leste transkriptet.

Jeg klarer for øvrig ikke skjønne hvordan kristenfolket kan digge ham sånn. Hvordan skjer det?

[Strå]

Det er jo nesten ikke mulig å forstå hva han sier. Det er en masse usammenhengende livsfarlig våa.

[Maverick]

Opprinnelig lagt inn av Maverick, her.

Ja, jeg tenkte stadig tilbake på den når jeg leste transkriptet.

Jeg klarer for øvrig ikke skjønne hvordan kristenfolket kan digge ham sånn. Hvordan skjer det?

Og med "kristenfolket" mener jeg de selverklærte kristne som selverklært støtter Trump.

Ikke alle kristne. :presiserer: